City Council Meeting, 10/6/2026
0:09 Well, we're half here >> actually.0:18 All right. Um, it's wonderful to see everybody at this nice weekend that we had and the mayor is running late. Um, I think Mr.0:27 Beluchcci is not going to be here. And I'm not sure about everybody else, but I'm sure they'll pop up. But anyway, if we can go ahead and get started, Mr.0:35 Dehaney. >> All right. So, madame vice mayor, the first briefing will be a briefing on the law enforcement training academy. Is to give city council and the public an update on where we are with the project, but also to seek city council concurrence as it relates to the site that we want to move forward with with the design of the project. The first0:50 voice you'll hear will be Chad Morris. He's going to give city council a quick overview and introduce the design firm that's working on the project.1:01 Good afternoon, Vice Mayor, members of council. Uh, good to be here this afternoon. I'm going to provide a quick update on the uh, law enforcement train facility. We also have um, Ron Davenport with Mosley Architects here. Also others uh, from from the team. We have assistant um, city manager Jason Straoud, Brian Delenthal, and Sean Rockwell from the Office of Public1:22 Facilities. Um once again, thanks for the opportunity and as uh the manager mentioned, we are uh looking for uh concerns on a final site selection for the law enforcement training academy. Um also want to mention we do have our friends with the police department and sheriff's office here with us today as well. Uh this project is part of our focused action plan um to design plans1:42 for the law enforcement training facility um to meet those needs um for for those trainees going through themies.1:51 a little bit of history um on on the law enforcement training facility. This is where they currently been using the old SeaTac Elementary School since 2000. Uh the police department and sheriff's office have been utilizing that facility. Uh the facility has been unchanged at the time. So it still looks like a elementary old elementary school. Um the building is over 50 years old and2:14 technology is difficult to outfit in the space. Um and it is difficult to uh serve that intended purpose. Uh many of the fixtures within the in the building are that of an elementary school that was used for elementary age children and the also of the facility lacks the purpose security measures to operate adequately for that purpose. um to and to make sure that our students, faculty, and staff are are safe.2:43 Starting in 2019, um moving forward um in conjun conjunction with the police department and the sheriff's office, um a needs analysis was performed at that time. And then from n 2019 to 2022, lots of different sites were discussed trying to find the right appropriate site for this facility uh that would work. Um which became pretty pretty challenging. Um but in 2023 a basis of design was3:08 revised making sure all the requirements and needs of of the police department and sheriff's office um were were derived to and became um a potential concept was generated at that point. Once that concept was generated, um a council briefing was conducted in March of uh March 11th of 2025. Um and then there was support from council to move forward3:31 um to consider the ITA municipal service area as a site to be considered. And then in fall of 2025, about six months later, um staff was also directed to evaluate the South Bird Neck Road site, which is adjacent to uh Motorworld and and Ocean Breeze. But here we are today. Um happy to report we have uh Mosley Architects on board and under contract as of early3:56 September and they are under contract to design the Lita facility uh for for the for the city. And at this point in time, I'll turn it over to Ron um to move forward with the rest of the presentation.4:10 Thank you. >> Well, good afternoon everyone.4:13 Uh as was introduced, I'm Ron Davenport with Mosley. I'm a vice president and senior project manager and I hail out of the Virginia Beach office. I'll be the design team's project manager uh for the duration of the project. Today, what I wanted to do was to take the opportunity to give you a very quick um overview of the status of the project to where we are today. I wanted to walk you through4:40 three sites that we've looked at for consideration. Uh run you through um kind of the general overall project timeline and of course close with any other questions you all may have. So, where we are today is kind of coming from um where we were originally. We were engaged to do a feasibility study out of the current LITA site or law enforcement training academy site. And5:06 the idea was that we would use this site as a um study to understand what programming was needed for both a shared training academy for the sheriff's office as well as the police department. And of course, as was presented already, the facilities in their current state are very old and so very much undersized compared to the current needs of the academy. So we used the existing site in5:31 order to test fit a potential new site. But that study was done under the understanding that we would be looking at a few other sites as well. So the components as they were designed at the time it was understood that we could click and break pieces off shift them around appropriately to be customtailored to whatever site may come up. So currently um where we are right5:55 to this minute and where I am standing here today is we are currently finalizing our contracts with all of our consultants that we have behind us uh for the engagement of the services. We're currently analyzing three sites which I'll talk about in a few moments and we are of course preparing our full design team to mobilize. Um as you may or may not know um we are engaged to go6:19 through um several design phases. Each one of those phases has very discreet elements of factf finding discovery big picture thinking in order to get much more refined ultimately to create technical documents and bidding for construction. And as you may have noted, the project size is approximately 131,000 gross square ft and about $82 million in construction cost. Again,6:43 rounded up here and there. So, from the original study, and of course, we're going to continue to refine our design and our approach as we engage sheriff's office and police department representatives for the academy. But the idea during the study was to create a a contemporary architecture that creates a a a wonderful workplace for uh administrators and instructors of the academy and create a state-of-the-art7:09 facility for uh incoming cadetses that can both work and and meet ultimately the needs of the academy but also become a um a piece for uh police officer retention and drawing future candidates in as well.7:24 As I said, the original study involved using the existing law enforcement training academy site. The existing building is over there on the far right hand side of the image. The new academy was over is over on the left with a large parking lot kind of separating between the two. I think the big understanding here is that the existing academy would remain in operations while7:48 the new academy was being built. And of course, as you see down there and underneath, there's some very conceptual plans. And all of those plans are done as a test fit through our engagement with um academy officials and administrators in order to understand what the actual needs were.8:06 So, moving more forward in time, we've been looking at three different sites in further detail, much more granular detail. Of course, the first site is yes, the existing law enforcement training academy site. Um the site as you can see has that large yellow um dash line kind of around the entire property. Of course the existing academy is over there on the right and right8:30 around where site one is the word site one is where the new academy could be proposed. As you can see Virginia Beach Expressway is up there at the plan north or at the north of the sheet and Bneck Road is over there on the far right hand side. So doing a a very brief um kind of SWAT or strengths and weaknesses analysis or strengths and challenges analysis would be uh under strengths8:54 would be the current location for the academy is kind of consistent with legacy branding. It's been there. Everyone knows it's there and if it were to stay the branding uh and the legacy could continue to remain there. Uh it has a direct regional access uh and visibility by adjacent highways. I think one of the design features that we were looking at at the time of the study was9:15 its presence and speaking its announcement uh to the community through its presence adjacent to the highway. Um all major utility infrastructure is pretty much generally already there and in place and the site elevation is at approximately 12 ft above sea level which is which is a good thing. Some of the challenges of this existing site would be site utilization and access is9:38 limited due to the site geometry. There are a number of things that are going on in that site that has wetlands and some features uh geometrically that do make it challenging for future expansion. Uh, of course as I said the existing academy would remain operational and in place and having construction go on at the same time ofmies is always a challenge and lots of complexities arise as a10:04 result of that particularly site access for construction staging whilemies are going on. Uh, additionally, uh, the portions of the new facility are in the FEMA zone A and there are only small portions, but it limits the flexibility in how we ultimately execute a design. Uh, the AU zone could be limiting. Uh, you all have um your discussions uh with the Navy and and what could be done and10:32 your ordinance establishes currently what is possible and what isn't. There is a defining difference between business and education. Um, so that would be something interesting that we would have to probe probe a little bit deeper on what would be ultimately possible. Uh, of course the property size, as you saw, it fits and it works, but it's still kind of size-wise still10:54 limiting. Um, especially if any future expansion or additional PT or physical training activities were were necessary or needed. And of course, the total property size here is about 19.9 acres. our side of that development would be somewhere in the neighborhood of about 10 acres. And um finally another challenge would be as I understand it the current ownership of the property11:16 might be under the school board. So a property transfer of ownership would have to occur as well. Site number two uh would be on bird neck uh adjacent to the water park. As you can see here, that site number two is in also that yellow dashed line at the U along Birdneck Road very close to the intersection of U Bird Neck and General Booth. Of course, you can see those uh11:45 wonderful pickle ball courts down there in that lower corner. And the interesting challenge with this site is a significant portion uh of this property has physical wetlands on it which would have to be addressed in some form or another. Again, looking at a strengths and challenges analysis on this. Um the strength would be its general proximity in a in a denser area um gives it an opportunity for a little bit easier12:14 access to highways. Um all the major utility and infrastructure is also generally in place. Um and the site access of course is fairly easily just off of Bneeck Road. Some of the challenges would be um also again the site utilization is a little bit unique and a little bit different. Um it's in a perfect world it would be much more rectalinear if possible. Uh moving down12:38 to the third one. Also portions of this new facility are also in a a FEMA zone flood uh zone A. Uh also this uh has some AKUS challenges as well as where it falls within the site. Uh and in this case the property size is limited uh for any type of expansion um and any type of related uh physical training activities.13:01 The property here is 12.7 acres. At a minimum, you need 10 acres to do a property like this, but that doesn't necessarily take into account future expansion or any other um components that are brought to the academy. Of that 12.7 acres, 5.1 acres is pure wetlands. And again, as I said, that would be something that would have to be addressed. The final site, site number13:25 three, is at the ITA. Uh, and it's kind of in the area of Lancetown or what we're referring to as Lancetown Extended. U, for those of you that if you have been by the site or if you've been curious, um, Lancetown Road as you're driving along it, here's one area that does a very strong uh, elbow or hairpin turn. And that is the location of where we would recommend it. There is13:49 um again as many of you may or may not know there is a master plan study going on that has identified a number of components of the ITA area and in this case you'll see sort of in that middle top section would be the site we would recommend. Uh and right at that top yellow line that dashed line is right where existing Lancetown makes that hairpin or elbow turn. So its proximity14:14 to existing infrastructure is is wonderful. Of course, as you can see, there's light industrial and flex developments proposed, some already in place, a little bit off the screen. And as you expand Lancetown Road to southward or down towards the bottom of the sheet, we would recommend development very close to where a phase one element that's also recommended be in place. the strengths versus challenges on this.14:41 Uh the site access is uh in this case um it's right off of that bend in the road.14:47 So the extension of Lancetown um wouldn't be as complicated at least for this project. And I know that of course you have a desire to extend Lancetown much further into the property, but for us and for access that adjacency is is prime. Uh of course the extension of Hudome would be also very helpful in order to do that. Again, this site elevation is also around elevation 12 as part of the uh the city expansion15:15 zone. Um there's an opportunity for broad customization not just for this but for everything else adjacent to it. Uh as I said 10 12 14 acres is needed. I think you'll see at the bottom there we are we have a a yellow uh box that's about 167 acres. So there's a lot of flexibility in what we can do and what would be needed. Um, of course, the use is compatible with the ITA master plan.15:40 Um, there are no challenges in this area with the AKUS zone. Um, and there is of course an opportunity for expanded or even shared resources u for cadets in the the cross-country trails and the ball fields uh and just the nature walks that are proposed surrounding that. And of course, as I said, the property size is flexible to to suit the academyy's needs and the city's needs for any other16:04 adjacent expansion. Some challenges related to that would be um all major utility infrastructure will need to be brought to the site. So um sewer, water, electric, gas um utilities, they would all need to be brought to the site. Um of course this is a little bit more remote um for access to any highways and others that are coming to this. I know that they also have additional training16:28 uh and ex and an additional professional development that occurs at this academy.16:33 Um so its access is a little bit more remote and of course the one of the main challenges right now at least as far as I'm concerned is the property in parcel doesn't exist yet. So we need to uh and we need to go through a development if this were the one we were to study in order to actually um understand the property size and the property adjacencies.16:53 Here of course is some image imagery taken from a master plan study uh currently underway. Uh, and as you can see, there's a storm water park and nature trails and cross-country trails that are being proposed. And that image that sort of runs top to bottom that bisects the image would be Lancetown Road extended. And right at the at the top of that dashed line is already where17:15 Lancetown Road already exists as it makes that hairpin turn.17:21 For us to move forward at some point as we navigate these three sites is pretty simple. The design phases I said there are pretty much a discrete set of design phases for all of those to be executed on our end would be about 18 months. Um then there would be a city review and permitting process that would take three months. Uh bidding and negotiations with a contractor approximately three months,17:47 construction duration 24 months and then uh furniture and equipment move in and preparations is about 3 months after that for a total of approximately 51 months.18:02 Thank you.18:07 Thank you Ron. Um so our next steps as far as moving forward is of course finish up the site analysis uh for those sites. Um and then with moving forward with that would be to focus on a con the conceptual office both site and the building on a particular site um recommended the ITA if we have uh council's concurrence on that um so we can move forward and be honed in on a18:29 specific site um to move forward and stay that 51-month timeline. uh any um delays in site selection obviously puts us behind behind on that. Um and then we want to confirm the architecture program. We'll make sure we're uh the program is complete and squared away and make sure there's been no uh changes in requirements or anything from the uh sheriff's office and and police18:50 department. Um before we move forward and really get into um more of the schematic uh elements of of the of the project. um we would continue to move forward with those schematic designs and and bring forward those uh timelines and milestones. And then of course doing so we'd have periodic communication with with uh city council as we go through that process. Um and that is all we have19:16 today for the presentation and be happy to uh answer any questions.19:19 Let's open it up to Stacy Worth and Jennifer.19:23 Thank you. So couple questions. One is um can we start can the design work get started before the site selection? So therefore I mean what I'm saying can you design the building that would be compatible with any of the three sites? >> So there are a number of things and there are so many different ways that I can answer that. As a as a designer what19:48 I would say is in in a perfect world I would prefer to wait. um the the building is rooted in solar orientation and where it sits related to the sun.19:58 But not only that, um where is the entrance of the facility? Where is the cadet's entrance related to uh an entrance point? Now, if the property is large enough, there are a number of things that can be done independently and then perhaps the building can be rotated or mirrored or um some fancy phrases for what we would do to shift some things around. But in an ideal20:21 situation, of course, we would prefer to understand the site, understand where the infrastructure is, understand where entrances are, understand where north is so that we can manage those constraints as well. Does that make sense?20:34 So, I heard yes, it can be designed. >> Yes.20:37 Not ideal, but it can. >> That is correct. Ideally, yes, of course. And >> I mean recommending a site without a cost analysis kind of rubs me the wrong way. I mean it obviously so the ITA gives you a blank you know blank uh drawing board so it makes it easier but if the cost is prohibitive versus the other two locations I mean that that plays a big factor into what21:08 we're doing and also the timing you know that if the the site one could be ready to go tomorrow if well not literally tomorrow but we probably have shorter runway than the other two sites. And um so taking into uh account the timing and the cost are pretty heavy fac in my opinion pretty heavy factors in determining where it's going to go because you know personally I'd like to21:38 see this done as quickly and cheaply as possible. uh that would facilitate what we need to do. But so I mean I I without taking into consideration timing and cost, how do we land on a recommendation of you know the ITA?21:57 I'll add to this. Um the big part about So the probably the cheapest and the easiest way to do it, I won't even say easiest, but probably the cheapest way is to stay at the site that it is right now, right? But we'd have to get concurrence from the schools and schools from my understanding wants to sell it and put the resources back into their um program. But council has a say in that22:16 as well. Um the bird neck site, what's complicated about it is that it's not just the fact that you got five acres of wetlands which reduces the footprint is the fact that you'd have to pay for mitigating the cost of the wetlands and then you'd also have to sell the title wetlands or it's not title wetlands but you'd have to sell and get wetland credits.22:33 That's correct. >> And as you all know about that like the prices to be determined whatever the market is at that time as well. So I think that's the calculus of why they kind of said that it may be a wash from the cost of the perk versus um the ITA if council wants although it's not ideal they could be directed to design it for all three sites then come back at 30%22:57 but that's going to that's going to probably add a couple million bucks on the design cost right for them to kind of get that direction because they'd have to basically go to like probably a 30% set for three different properties And that's atypical, but it could happen if that's the way to go. Right. So, to me, it's like if the council, if you really want to just get this23:17 project done, it's really um CAT is probably the easiest one if you can get the schools to concur on it because they're already there and all the utilities are there and that's probably probably the least one in terms of like impactful wetlands and stuff like that. The bird neck one has a lot of unknowns and then you also got to buy the title credits and to your point the ITA you23:37 got to bring all those utilities there as well. So that's going to be a significant cost on top of the 809 $90 million to build the building in.23:46 Okay. Worth them Jennifer. >> Thanks Mayor. Thanks for the presentation. Three quick questions. Early on here you said you have an estimate of 82 million. That is that include soft costs or No, sir. That's construction costs only. And for us, construction cost includes the building and the site development. >> So maybe another 30 $40 million on top24:06 of that could be for soft cost. >> Yes. No, not soft cost cuz like they already have the design contract. It's already separate apart from that. But like for site plan and stuff like that, that's a unknown. That could be 10, 15, 20, $30 million. >> Okay. So it's going to be north of 82 million at this point. We don't know for sure. You probably I mean it's probably24:26 a 120 $130 million project. >> Okay. So on the first two sites you're saying the challenges are both AUS and APZ. Can we can't we get the Navy to help us at this point? Because if it's not acceptable then I think that would eliminate those two sites.24:46 Why did you say so? >> So I can I can at least respond to a little bit. There are a number of things of course that through the declaration of the uses uh there there are stipulations for the declaration of use of business and the use of education. Of course this is a training academy. Um one could construe that it is a a um educational element that's actually the25:08 one if memory serves me correctly that's more constraining. Um obviously um it's also a business entity as well and if you could have the entire development of come in under the umbrella of business it might fare better. Um, as I said, the other one is is at least on the existing academy now, it's there's currently in use and precedented operation of a law enforcement training academy. But I have25:33 seen in other projects um the Navy does what the Navy does and unless you all have good relationships and the ability to quickly get with them, they take a very long time to do things. >> Thanks. And I would agree, we ought to try to get that on top of that sooner than later so we don't we can pick a site. So on the third site, the Landtown, um how far away are the25:55 utilities from the site? Is it do you have a guesstimate or I don't um I can say that we're getting closer to the understanding of that, but I do have a general sense of maybe a rough order of magnitude of cost for utilities in in the event of we had to go in a a quarter mile distance. Quarter mile distance could be somewhere in the neighborhood of 500,000 to a million26:16 dollars to extend the utilities. But we just don't know exactly um how what those touch points are just yet. >> Is that Hudome way or is that also not quite sure whether we're going to find our way through north of um Lancetown or whether it's going to come by Hudome. Intuition says it'll be by Hudome. >> Thank you, Jennifer. >> Thank you, Mayor. Some of it's been26:38 discussed already. Uh for me, number two is a no. So, I don't think that is an option for the wetlands. And those look like were those trees?26:46 Yeah, the entire site is No.26:50 So, I don't see that as like a viable option. So, now we're looking at one or three. And I was thinking with the AQ's limitation that training would function as education, but you know, I guess that's to be debated. My concern is 82 million. So, how far is that going to stretch between projects one and three where we have known factors with site one, unknown with site three? But with27:16 either site, is there a plan for a shooting range at this location or it's just going to be training? >> It's no shooting range. It's just training as I understood and through our discussions early on, um the shooting range was down in um in the Creeds area and I believe that's still present.27:31 Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. It would be unlikely to get a shooting range permitted in >> either one of those two areas because of the proximity of um residents and >> different people. Y indoor woman that would significantly increase the cost. >> Yeah.27:45 Okay. Um so >> but I would say Mrs. Rouse the a I think Ron Ron right tried to caveat the bird neck one about the AQS like he's mentioning that's a unknown. I don't necessarily know if that's going to be a terrible ordeal to go through because as you mentioned, we we currently have a president of operating uh law enforcement training academy there as28:09 well, but I think he's just making it known that it would be something that you'd have to get evaluated, but we don't necessarily think that's going to be one that's going to be overturned because we do have a precedent of having a similar facility there already. >> And then the sheriff and police department, is there a preference the ITA or is there a preference? So, I from28:29 my conversations with the sheriff and police department, I think the sheriff preferences the um ITA because that's closer to their operations here and with their staffing issues, they would have to not staff would have to travel as far to operate the jail, but also come down and do the training down at the um down at the at a at a bird neck location where it's at right now. Is that28:49 accurate? Okay. And the chief the chief is fine wherever the cop wherever the location is. The chief may have a preference for bird neck area because of the more regional nature of it, but the chief will take the ITA or the chief will take the bird neck. Is that accurate chief?29:06 Yeah. >> So then it at this point comes down to cost and my concern is similar to council member Cummings that said 82 million is what we are working with and we know bird neck. We don't know ITA.29:19 Yep. >> So that's going to be very difficult for me to decide. >> Our project should always go. I'll just say this at this point in time the coun the cost is always just a conceptual model as council knows every time we do a project once you go into design 95% of the time your costs are going up. Yeah, >> it you're probably right and I think you29:40 are right. The ITA probably be more expensive than if you were to do something at the Lita location that it is right now.29:46 The issue we have with that is schools, right? From my understanding with schools, schools is fine with us stay in there. They want to be good partners with us, but if we move, from my understanding with them is that they want to sell it for some kind of return that could ultimately go back into the schools. But council does have a say on that conversation as well. So30:09 if council wants us to go to the schools and see if they want to turn over that site to us for the future law enforcement training camp, we can start that conversation with them. But that is probably the cheapest way to do this because like it's probably 2030 10 15 20 $30 million of unknown cost likely in ITA. >> Okay. Uh Josh and America.30:31 Um thank you both very much for the presentation. Um really good comments around the table. Um on the the BAK site, the present leader site, um the schools schools issue concerns me just because um I think I think we also have to be mind mindful of what the highest and best use of that site is given it location. Um and if there is a return to be had that would benefit schools and30:58 the rest of us for growing the tax base, I think that ought to be considered especially in that location. um especially given the site constraints. Uh and then the you know that to the extent we do decide we want to um explore the recommended option down the ITA those infrastructure costs um you know aren't you know necessarily just going to serve that facility alone because31:24 we've got other plans down there potentially for either municipal or sports tourism related uses. Um and those are also you know potentially economically generative right so um so I think I think you know if we if we approach extending the infrastructure down there is just for LITA I think we're missing maybe some of the other opportunities that could potentially um31:47 come to fruition because of that um the road extension and utilities um and and and certainly recognize that we have to be sensitive to that part of the city and and what we want to see down there and responsible um use of that property.32:00 So those are my just thoughts but I think for the work I just want to clarify one thing. The Lita is the one that does not need a road extension. It would need utilities. So the utilities would more or less um support that facility but it could be like the water and storage extension. It could support other things as well but that's the one that does not need a road32:20 extension is clear. >> Okay. Hutch and then Amelia does not need. So mine is sort of off of Councilman Schulman's questions. Um when we if talking Hudon way and and Lancetown and if when we whichever way we extend it looks like Lancetown, right? Um if we do spend that money for all the parts, >> it will be for we will make it so that32:48 it's for whatever else is coming. There is Right. So I know we're going to be going I feel for Chad. It's your first one, buddy. Good luck with keeping it in budget. I don't want to say your job's on the line, buddy, but you know, parks and wreck is still there. So, but I did see your replacement yesterday at a meeting. I'm just saying.33:14 Sorry. I love you, buddy. But but is you know in this all seriousness the the money that is spent is not 100% of it is I mean it will be at first but then once we add the other structures and stuff to it it will be shared. I >> I just want to and Chad and Ron clarify for me as well. I just want to clarify that the the the running of electrical wires and the pipes33:43 Yeah. for that facility will be uniquely for that facility. Right? Um this is the one that does not need a road extension. Some of that stuff may be shared but this will be uniquely to connect this facility to water soar and electric.34:00 Right. Is that accurate or >> Yeah, actually it's accurate but I'd like to modify that a little bit. just through our discovery and factf finding um and reverification of programming, reverification of site intent um we would probably very much recommend some type of in infrastructural support be placed in at some edge of our site that would or some edge of the site that34:22 would permit additional infrastructure to run down North Lancetown. meaning we can help kick off additional development later and not be the the pinch point at the very start of development. Does that make sense?34:35 Yeah. >> Yeah. Just just to go with Councilwoman Rouse though is that this is like okay one and three is still going to mean some time before we can make that decision in my opinion. We're going to have to find out some things here. Um, I thought I'd heard under some part of what we were looking at over the course of a couple of these projects with34:54 whether it was FEMA or or the Alita and that if big Navy was not so thrilled to ever give us the back at Lita or if we were going to expand the fire training center. But it sounds like you're thinking that because we are there, they may allow us to stay there at Lita with Lita. Yeah, >> that's what that's what35:16 Well, I know we'll have to find out for sure, but it seemed like to me there was a point where it was said anything new would not have been allowed. Um, and I don't remember I I want to say it was one of the Navy reps that I was talking to, but >> yeah, it doesn't hold any water. So, okay. Thank you.35:32 Okay, thanks Mary. Well, thank you so much for sharing this. And as I looked at it and the cost is really high, so I'm leaning more towards the site that is there already with many more of what we need than trying to build out. The last one was beautiful, but I'm hoping that we can talk with the schools so we can work with that because this is something we need sooner than later36:06 and we may not have all the bells and whistles, but this is where I'm thinking >> just to to frame that discussion there.36:16 Um, and we had talked about this early in the study phase. um that we had included um a training tank or a training pool as part of the element. Um and there are elements within the the academy programming that could be created as subsequent phases of construction um which could lower costs at least initially. Of course those costs come back at inflation in years to36:39 come but we could still lower first costs. Um so I I think that's very helpful. A few other things that we can do as a design team is is we could still study two sites in tandem um that allow us to look a little bit deeper in detail of the um ITA site and a little bit deeper in detail of the uh current site37:00 just to get a better sense of site cost. We work with some fabulous cost estimators, very nimble um so is our civil engineering team. Um and we could do studies of that pretty quickly as well. That would be good because you know you mentioned does that include the FFE?37:17 Uh no ma'am the it's um it's uh if uh it's um as my former uh boss principal used to say if you can pick the building up from the ground and shake it turn it sideways and whatever falls out the windows. That's FF and E. Those are the things that aren't included in the cost. >> Okay.37:34 And then Stacy >> really appreciate this comparison. It's very helpful. Um just I mean we just considering the CEKC elementary site. Um we need to also know that we have to compensate the schools for that property. So there's going to be a a cost of paying them for that. And secondly, there will be a cost to demolition of that old building. And thirdly, I wanted to mention that that38:04 is a site that is really ripe for economic development to be that close to the interstate um to have close to 20 acres there. Now, you have to deal with the AQS, but there could be a real opportunity for economic development bringing jobs. So, just wanted to throw that into the mix to be thinking about. >> Yeah, good points, Stacy.38:30 Are there any have there been any environmental studies or is there anything additional that needs to be done on the IPA site to make sure it's clear >> to date that I understand there haven't been environmental studies done. We would recommend that it be necessary as part of this further discussion. >> That would be a big issue.38:48 We don't suspect anything because the ITA was I think pretty much green you know farmland. >> Yeah. I'm not Yeah. the the for the most part we have an understanding already environmentally where wetlands um any of those kind of traps would be I think what is probably universal among all three sites is the conditions of foundations and what can39:09 be done uh and that would that study would have to be done on all three sites even even in the existing law enforcement training academy we would be remiss if we didn't do a study like that okay is that it you know at this point, Patrick. Uh, if we can get some better numbers, I think I'm one and three. Is there a consensus? Two is out.39:34 So, you want to take two out and then for the consultant to refine?39:38 Um, one and three. >> Yeah. And because, you know, I think Rosemary brought up some points about demolition and, you know, other, you know, potential there too that we got to look at.39:48 Uh, but the other thing is how much would it really cost that? I think you got to look longterm on this too. you know, what's going to be the best mission fit, but the bottom line is this has got to be a priority. It's got to get done. >> Does council want us to get a general sense of the cost before we engage schools in any conversation?40:08 I think that might be >> I think that would be a prudent approach. So, we know you know you know that we can educate also the school folks on you know the pluses and minuses and the strength and challenges we have.40:23 Okay. Yeah, we're >> any more discussion with the Navy with the CCK site because >> we'll have that conversation.40:32 Okay. Hey, thank you. That was very very well done. Thank you. It was our pleasure. Thank you very much. >> Okay. Over now. So, Mr. Mayor, the next presentation. So, Mr. Mayor, the next presentation will be a briefing on the Princess Athletic Complex cross country course.40:50 As council calls, this was the item that was added in the um in the budget reconciliation process and the schools have asked us to come forward and give a presentation to them. So before we give the school board a presentation, want to remind city council about the project and the ask reconciliation process. So go ahead Chad. >> Y good afternoon again. Um just going to41:10 provide a brief update on the Princess Anne Athletic Complex cross country course. As the manager mentioned, this is part of a a budget reconciliation letter. Um it's all up there, but just to summarize um the opportunity to potentially partner or uh cost share with uh city public schools uh was in that language and that's kind of why we're here today to um move forward with41:33 some of that conversation and also have some other updates to share with you um on the cross country course from the 2017 ITA master plan. U I just highlighted the four eight initiative areas from that plan. from the sports center which is the Princess Anne Athletic uh Princess Anne Commons Athletic Village and number five which is the preservation and passive41:55 recreation area and number six being the city municipal services facilities. So, um, just of note, you know, from the 2017 plan, both LITA and, uh, the cross country course, which was shown in a in an earlier version of of the ITA plan, which, um, gained a lot of traction or a lot of support, um, are compatible uses within the 2017 plan, as well as as the proposed ITA plan comes forward, um,42:21 we're seeing unless any significant changes to the proposed ITA plan, both LITA and the cross-country course are compatible uses. is um and the other benefit obviously being um a synergy between the two if if Lita and cross country are are placed at this site that the cross country course becomes a great uh physical uh component for the students at the at at the Lita at the42:44 academy. Um also of note that both projects would go separately there two as of now there are two separate projects they would run on their two different uh schedules and tracks um to completion.42:58 Um, so a little bit about the funding and the timeline of this. Um, it's estimated at $6 million for the total project cost for the cross country track. Uh, just to note that, um, the intent was to make this a, uh, high quality track that could be used potentially for the collegiate level, even NCAA. Um, so there are some, uh, requirements and needs for that to do43:22 that. It's not just uh cutting cutting some some grass and some trees and uh creating this course that there are some specifications and requirements needed for that if we're going to achieve that quality of of a cross country course. Um as far as the rest of the funding, there's currently uh 1.3 million programmed in the CIP FY28 um and an additional $1.6 $6 million43:43 will be needed um and included in the FY28 CIP process um from the city side um and with council approval and then the request uh from schools of $3 million um would be contributed um ideally through the reversion process which will come later this fall. Uh with that, we um city staff are going to present um this similar information to the school board on October 27th so that44:10 they're updated and aware of of this um and provide more conversation with them.44:16 Um as I mentioned, you know, that being a a NCAA or collegiate level type cross country course, the timeline you can see here is 30 to 36 months. And that is a little bit longer than what we would initially imagine, but like I mentioned being having the specifications where there's also some parking parking lot to be included, probably a bus bus turnaround, some other ancillary type44:40 buildings and structures to go with this. Um, so there is quite a bit of design work that does have to take place. So that's why we have the estimated 30 to 36 months total out there. Um, so just a quick uh update where that is and and kind of the wise on the cross country course and happy to take any questions. >> Any questions at this point? Barbara and then Jennifer. >> Let Jennifer go first.45:07 Okay. Jennifer Cash and Barbara. How's that? I just want to uh for whenever you go to the schools for a presentation because I got some phone calls from school board members questions about what's going on with the track and the $3 million and what is this and what's happening and so I just want to be sure that the record is clean and that it's clear in terms of what the because I was45:30 like this was a part of the budget process so it wasn't something that this we discussed at the table as an item so much as something that was included in the budget. this past budget process that this is an option for uh moving the sports tourism forward in this area specifically with this track and so are you able to clarify that um what is the city the option here right so it's not a45:56 demand it's not an ask but there's an option for cost participation can you just describe and kind of clean up what that is and then make sure that that's a part of that conversation >> so I I'll look for some other council members to clean up what I'm about to say if they want to add to the um the record. But from my understanding when this came about in budget reconciliation46:16 and the council was contemplating the ITA planning the update. I think there's a lot of synergy amongst council and stakeholders about doing a cross country trail, right? And then the the folks that benefit from the cross country trail would be the residents also this the schools as well, right? I think some um some folks in the districts reached out to certain council members and let46:36 them know that this is something that's a need for the city, a need for the schools and that there'll be a lot of kids participating in it as well. So the concept was that we would work towards bringing it into future year funding in the CIP. And since that this could be something that could benefit the schools, we would have a ask and like you said, it's an ask. It's not a46:55 obligation. It's not a requirement. is to ask right now for us to ask the schools to consider cost participating in this project with the mindset being that they'll benefit from it as well for some of their programming and that the city will ultimately take control of maintaining the site going forward in the future but we could work out with some kind ofou to authorize the schools47:14 to use it for their competitive activities as well. So right now what we're doing as a staff is at the school board's request. We're going to briefly brief brief the school board on the concept of the project and then clarify what the ask is and the ask is for them to cost participate. The council has not spoken to how they're supposed to cost participate. We didn't talk to him about47:36 any particular funding sources, but the council basically is asking since this is going to be a benefit that that'll mutually benefit the city and students that it makes sense that for the one-time construction cost, the schools play a role in cost participating. >> Thank you. And that's the part I just want to be sure that when we have our conversation today in the schools47:53 because I do, you know, I got I'm sure some of us got phone calls and I was like, "Oh, let me find out, you know, what's happening." And so um there this is an option to cost participate not a request or demand from the city and the city is not then directing schools how to cost participate what funding source.48:11 It is within the authority of the school board to decide if they want to and how they are going to fund it. Um because I know there was conversations about pulling from the healthcare fund and all of this and that's you know we don't want to touch that. so that the city is not involved in that and this is a conversation and just for the public to clarify because I think there's a lot of48:31 um there's a lot of telephone happening with that issue. So, thank you.48:36 Yeah, we're going to go over cash and Barbara and work.48:40 Thank you, mayor. Um, for me, I received several phone calls and then the email, and I I do think clarity needs to happen because somehow residents that have kids in school, when they think of a surplus or something that is going back to the schools, well, then they sent me an email saying, "Why is the city council having control over that?" Um, one of those emails was49:12 there was a school bus that needed or school buses that needed air conditioning. Why couldn't they take some of that money? We're for the uh the cross uh country trails, >> but couldn't they take some of that money there? And I said, well, those are good questions. Um, I don't have the answer to that, >> but I can tell you I will reach out to49:34 the right departments and we can get So, I do think that with this reversion money, um, there needs to be clarity and there needs to be some communication between schoolboard elected officials and city staff where they can at least communicate to the residents. What part is city councils and what part is um the jurisdiction of the school board?50:03 And sir, to clarify um as you I got your email and we're working to get a response from the schools. The schools has their own fleet maintenance CIP.50:11 We're going to communicate with them to get a general sense of the concerns you heard from your constituents to see what their plan is to address that and then we'll share it accordingly. But basically the council provides the schools the funding and the schools then uses the funding to take care of school operations to include maintaining their fleet. So I anticipate they'll probably50:28 tell us a response that they're working to get parts or fix the air conditioning inside their vehicles. >> Thank you sir Barbara and then Mark.50:38 Well, it's, you know, I appreciate those questions because I think the fact that it's gotten into this whole question of funding, it's complicated everything, but in going back to the very beginning about what we're talking about with the cross country track and what it would do and why it's needed, you know, that's where we were when we were just talking about putting this in. Who's going to51:01 pay for it is another issue. But it's my understanding that because we do not have a cross-country track, our track doesn't qualify for consideration for those kinds of things because we don't have an approved cross country track. But I think we particularly heard from the higher education facilities how much they needed it. I'm thinking of um whatever Virginia Wesleyan's name is51:30 these days. I was particularly uh needing it. And so when we were talking about this initially, we were talking about why we needed to be to consider a cross-country track. And by not having one, it diminishes our track program. And we were just looking at what we needed to do to get the track program where it needs to be. The funding is another whole issue, but I think that's what's being not understood here.52:02 What were we trying to accomplish? And if our kids have to go to Chesapeake to do track, that's what I remember hearing. Uh we don't have the facility that qualifies. And so I I think we really need to go back and hear from what we're trying to provide and why we're trying to provide it and then we can get to the funding situation. But it was clearly because of52:31 what we were told or what I understood our track program was not able to do because we don't have the cross country track in in the schools as well as in the higher education and it was the both of them that you know we were hearing from at the time and I think that's what we were trying to provide.52:54 Okay. >> Yeah.52:56 Mr. Mayor, just to and Miss Henley, your your point is right like that's some of the concerns that the council heard around budget reconciliation. And to be clear, the council has set aside funding to start funding half of the program.53:10 Right. The ask right now was schools, this is going to be a good thing for the community. And the council will ask, would you consider cost participating with the one-time construction cost and the council will take care of maintenance going forward? Um, that's the act as you all mentioned and as I mentioned, no one's dictated how the schools meet us on that ass. The53:32 schools, as Mrs. Ross pointed out, they can take the option not to fund it or fund it how they see fit within their operations. I would suspect if the schools move forward with the funding, we'll add that to the budget to move forward with the project a little quicker. If they don't, we will work out with council's direction how we want to move forward with the project in the53:52 budget as well. I I think we do need to go back to this whole question of what is a cross-country track, what will it provide that we do not have now? What is the value there? And do we need to proceed? But like I say, I again I just remember hearing from the schools and from our higher education. I believe we also heard from um Regent and as well54:16 as uh Virginia Wesleyan that their programs are not able to be what they need to be because we lack a cross country track.54:25 And so I I think we need to know what is a cross-country track, why do we need it, what it will do for us that we don't have now. And I think maybe that got in a different direction uh through all of this. Uh so we were clearly looking at the programming >> that our schools and both public schools and the higher education were able to have that they are not able to provide54:50 and it just seemed like they were saying this deficiency that they would like to have corrected. >> Okay.54:57 Thank you mayor. Thanks for the presentation. What I heard from both citizens and school board members is that this is a nice to have but there might be other needs and we've already discussed it. buses and health care and maybe meals. Uh there's a shortage there. So is a reversionary. That would be one way. Um because it's this is a one-time payment. This potentially and55:18 this is an option or a request. >> It's just a ask, right? So the council did not pass a resolution saying we're going to take funds from the schools to do this. The council just said, "Hey, this could be a good thing for the community, could be good for higher ed, could be good for the high school program. we're considering moving forward with funding it. Schools, can55:37 you would you be willing to cost participate? Like it was literally just that was the direction that you all included reconciliation. That was the ask of the school board. If they feel like they can't do it, we will report that back to council and then I anticipate council would say it's something we want to move forward with and we may figure out a way to fully55:54 fund a project within our own resources. Just as a quick add-on, it's my understanding because we are a coastal city, it's flat here and cross country really has hills and things and so our athletes, high school athletes, much less the college have a harder time competing statewide because the hills and other places where they have to run. So I would hope this would get some56:13 certification to meet a certain standard. So we could host um cross country meets. >> Yep. Yeah. I think that's what Chad was alluding to why if you build it to a certain level in the standard is why the cost is $6 million because they have to put some of those things in there to make it at the competitive level. >> Okay. Right. Um Amanda.56:34 Well, I think it's a good idea having, you know, a cross country track because I see students from Baton University.56:43 They go all through the community trying to, you know, imitate what they want.56:48 Mhm. >> And we've got to understand as a group that sometimes we've got to work together like the Jerry Cole project where the school asked us to help with the demolition.57:02 This time we're asking them >> to help. So it's not always one group, but as a group with the school and the council, we can work together because it's only a one-time ask. so that they'll understand because some people said here goes the greedy council. We're taking back uh uh their reversion method. So, you know, we need to look at that that we can work better together57:31 and I think they will enjoy it once it's up because it's not only the high schools but the regular schools and the college and universities. It will be a win-win. But like what you mentioned um Miss Henley is we need to go back to the table so they will understand the why and with him you know what's in it for them and I think they'll have a58:01 better taste of it. >> I don't think maybe it was all understood >> right I I think you're right. I think there's there is some misunderstanding here and the thing about this cross country track is it's got multiple levels of who it's going to help. I think there's been because we've talked about that whole area the sports tourism that people are58:26 thinking we only want this for sports tourism but I don't think that was ever ever the intent and I think the intent was the multi-uses that this one thing would have and if we could all come together and and share in it then it will benefit many you know benefit higher education it'll benefit our schools and it could benefit bringing different um tournaments in but58:53 the sports tourn the sports tour was not that high on the totem board for this to happen. I think we was we were really trying to hit a lot of different things.59:03 So just thought I would there's not that many things that we do that hits so many different levels that this that it would help like this would.59:14 Hey, anybody else? I I think the ultimate goal here, Virginia Beach is well known for having a very high quality of life and the more things that we could add to our toolbox that provides uh quality of life and one of the quality of life indicators is our recreation that we have here. I mean, we have rec centers that a lot of cities don't have. Uh I think we we uh dedicate59:43 $88 million or their budget or thereabout to you know things like this for healthy people to do. Um and then once again we also got a lot of military members out there that have to stay in shape and they are very much a part of our community. I think the concept of finding the win-win on this is the way to go and let's talk to the schools. Let's get it done. Thank you.1:00:13 All right. So, Mr. Mayor, members of council, we'll be joined by members of our cultural affairs team that are going to in basically announce an amazing opportunity for the city for one of the first cultural public art installations that exhibits that we're going to bring to Virginia Beach.1:00:35 Afternoon.1:00:46 Good afternoon, Vice Mayor, members of council. We are so excited to be with you today uh to give you a first look at Where Wonder Grows Sanctuary, which is an immersive art experience opening at Mount Trashmore on October 17th. and running through December 16th. This is just anformational briefing. We're not asking you for any decisions today. I'm just here to share exciting news, give1:01:15 you the background of how we got here and what residents and visitors are going to see in the next couple of weeks.1:01:23 It really starts with the investment you all made to two years ago. Uh, in July of 2024, council dedicated 20% of the admissions tax to arts and culture. The investment created several new opportunities like the creative neighborhoods grants, expanded support for arts and cultural organizations, and new opportunities for public art across the city. One component was 300,000 which was set aside annually for a1:01:56 temporary interactive public art experience that would be free and open to the public. The idea is fairly simple. It's to bring something extraordinary to Virginia Beach, something that people might not otherwise be able to see here and might have to travel somewhere else to experience. Where Wonder Grows Sanctuary is the first time we're bringing this vision to life. It began with a competitive national1:02:24 search and invited artists and creative teams were asked to propose what that experience could be. We had a community advisory selection panel that reviewed almost 100 proposals and ultimately selected sanctuary created by Australian creative team skunk control. It's a temporary two-month rental similar to the model used for immersive experiences like Van Go that came to our market. It1:02:56 allows for a major limited run experience in Virginia Beach where skunk control is responsible for the project from fabrication, shipping through installation, operations, security and removal.1:03:13 What makes this exciting is Sanctuary has never been presented anywhere before. It will make its world debut here in Virginia Beach and it will be the largest installation Skunk Control has created to date. It's a very exciting first for our community. Nick the artist was um hoping to join us today, but unfortunately his last shipment was delayed and delivered this1:03:39 morning to Mount Trashmore. So he and his team from um Australia are now right at work um installing the installation. He is very interested though in connecting with the community while he's here and we have opportunities for residents and and students to engage with him.1:04:00 Skunk Control is a Melbourne-based creative studio led by Nick Athensia and there's a really interesting story behind the work. Nick has his doctorate in chemistry and his multi-disciplinary team includes scientists, engineers, and educators. In fact, Skunk Control grew out of a university program focused on hands-on learning and and community engagement. Their background really1:04:31 comes through in the work. They bring together art and science, nature, technology to create this immersion um through curiosity and wonder.1:04:42 Their work can be found all over the world um United States, Singapore and Melbourne. So why did Sanctuary stand out? Uh the approach is really what um appealed to the selection panel. It's not an artwork that you simply en enjoy. It's an environment you enter and explore.1:05:06 Visitors will experience movement, changing light and colors, towering flowers, butterflies, birds, and smaller surprises throughout.1:05:18 The experience changes throughout the day. Sunlight creates color and shadows during the day and then the dark brings illumination and it transforms again.1:05:30 So, there's always something new to discover.1:05:34 The scale of the installation is significant. There will be more than 4,000 individual elements across the site, including 17 ft kinetic flowers, thousands of illuminated peacocks and birds and hundreds of butterflies.1:05:51 The site plan gives you a sense of how those elements can come together to create an experience visi visitors will actually move through.1:06:02 So why Mount Trashmore? It was a natural fit. It was one of our most familiar and well-loved public spaces and it gives an opportunity to bring art directly to a place where people already gather. I want to recognize Michael Kershman and parks and recreation which has been a great partner and helping us work through the logistics and visitor experience necessary to bring such a1:06:28 large-scale installation to life. The experience also extends beyond the installation itself. Skunk Control will offer free education and community programming, including a collaboration with Virginia Beach City Public Schools and hands-on steam activities. One piece we're excited to share is that the students will create their own butterflies inspired by the installation and then take them home to enjoy.1:07:00 The city's communications team has developed a comprehensive marketing and communications campaign around Where Wonder Grows Sanctuary with promotions across social media, city channels, local media along with our community arts and tourism partners. The timing couldn't be better. October is National Arts and Humanities Month, and there's a tremendous amount1:07:26 happening in Virginia Beach right now. Um, this week is the Vibe District Mural Festival. This weekend is the Boardwalk Art Show, bringing 160 artists to the Oceanfront. Uh, Virginia Musical Theater is bringing Disney Frozen this weekend to Sandler Center, and then next week, Chrom Shorty and Orleans Avenue. So, there's a tremendous amount of energy around arts and culture in Virginia1:07:52 Beach this month. and where wonder grows adds another very different experience for residents and visitors. So, also I wanted to thank Tiffany and Jason and the communications team for helping us tell that story and providing a comprehensive media plan that will keep the experience visible throughout its two-month run. So, here are the details.1:08:18 Anybody that would like to see it, it runs from October 17th through December 16th at Mount Trashmore at the It's past shelter 3. There'll be signage to direct people there. It's free and open to the public. No ticket is required. No reservation is required. It's open during park hours. Um, but then there's special viewing on Friday and Saturday evenings until 8, which gives visitors1:08:46 an opportunity to experience the installation Illuminated After Dark, except for Halloween when it's not open. We're kicking off everything on October 17th for an open opening celebration. Um, the artists will be there. will have hands-on activities and we're really excited to share uh this very cool new project with the residents and visitors. So, I'm here to take any questions you1:09:12 might have. >> I'll be brief. This is awesome.1:09:16 Yeah, >> it's absolutely awesome. It's free. It's familyfriendly. It's the first of its kind. The largest ever that he's ever done. It's in a centrally located place in our city that everybody can enjoy.1:09:28 And this is this is placemating making at like the the very definition of it and it's um residents and visitors can enjoy it. It's it's perfect. Good job.1:09:40 Thank you. >> Hey, anybody else? It's free parking too. >> Free parking, Jennifer. >> Um this is fantastic because I knew this we you know we got the update that this we were going to get this presentation.1:09:52 I didn't realize how big it is. So that's very exciting and I was like already excited about it, but Olivia is in her butterfly era.1:10:00 So >> she's going to be in heaven.1:10:03 Hi. >> So we'll be out there probably more than once. So thanks for organizing this. >> Thank you.1:10:11 Okay. Anybody else at this point? Amelia, thank you again. This is exciting. We see that what we did for that 20% admission tax is paying off. You're bringing in wonderful work. You always do. But thank you so much. We look forward to visiting.1:10:33 Hey, anybody else? >> Thank you. Now, let me just say real quick that once again when we talk about the quality of life here in Virginia Beach and not too long ago, we're going to bring it up again because it's a fact. It's not bragging. When the New York Times says we're one of the top 53 destinations in the entire world for people to come and see. But when you1:10:56 think about the energy of the sports center, the convention center, what you have at the Vibe Center, uh, in the Vibe district and what we have with Atlanta Park in the dome now, you know, the energy that is in that whole section right there where people can cross populate, you know, when people come early to go to a concert, they can go to the vibe and things of that nature. When1:11:20 people are here on a convention and they want to take a walk on a night's day, go to the Vibe. is not even a block away. Uh so once again, thank you for really providing another uh tool in our toolbox for the quality of life that we have here in Virginia Beach. Thank you. >> Thank you.1:11:40 Okay. Okay. We're going to get uh rolling with council comments and uh and with your permission, council members, I'm going to start things. Today is our first meeting. Yeah, after our loss of our dear friend and colleague Mark Styles.1:12:00 And I'll tell you what, we're still railing from that.1:12:05 Mark had a legacy of integrity, confidence leadership and congeniality.1:12:14 You know, consumate professional. And you know, you know, a number of us been on council for a while, you know, a couple decades, and we've known Mark for a long time. And he has navigated us through some of the most challenging times in the history of our city when we think about it. And uh he left a legacy.1:12:41 He left the legacy of excellence. And you know, a number of us attended the celebration of life. And then in talking with Mark's staff, there was no doubt, question or reservation that he was valued and appreciated by his entire staff. But Mark had standards that he imposed on everybody that worked in his office. And but mostly he imposed these standards on himself.1:13:16 He was a champion of this council for a long time. He was champion of the people of Virginia Beach for a long time. And you know, we rack our brains trying to come up with some type recognition that honors, you know, the service.1:13:34 And I was really emotionally moved by some of the words that were at the um celebration of life when they talked about Mark's staff talked about his uh rules for professional public service standards that he he imposed on people that that was his expectations that he demanded be met. And I see Dana shaking his head over there. You know, without doubt, question or reservation. You know, Mark, great guy, but he was a1:14:10 taskmaster and he had certain expectations and that was it.1:14:15 And as we were talking about, you know, ways to talk about him, you know, whether it be a baseball field, which he loved or something, the other thing, I think, you know, a formal recognition of what he brought to the table because, you know, he sat in that uh chair as our attorney, you know, for decades. And I think one of the things I'm going1:14:41 to make a you know recommendation and I'm sorry I didn't get to speak to all of you. You I just came about you know this basically over the weekend that what if we were to memorialize his words and put them right over the chair that he sat in for so many years. And with your permission I'm going to send these down to you. And with your permission, I would be1:15:07 honored to read Mark's expectations for what public service is all about.1:15:15 Number one, all else do what is right and fair.1:15:22 Number two, when there are two or more possible courses of action, choose the one that best promotes transparency and public trust.1:15:33 Three, don't let one mistake cause you to make a sec second. Face the error and correct it before it multiplies. Number four, listen carefully and take the time to think before you speak or act. A pair period of thoughtful silence will for will be forgiven much more quickly than an immediate but incorrect inappropriate response.1:16:04 Number five, be willing to speak the truth to someone who is willing and able to hear it, but limit your communication to the greatest extent possible with those who are overly impassion or demonstra demonstrably irrational. Number six, today's foe may be tomorrow's friends and vice versa. So treat everyone with appropriate decorum and respect. Seven, when writing, be clear and1:16:41 concise and use words of common understanding.1:16:45 Writing so that only lawyers can understand what you wrote says more about ego than it does about intelligence or ability.1:16:55 And number eight, assume that everything you say or do will be publicly attributed to you someday. Be mindful of how you feel about public attribution.1:17:11 You know, the fact is we're going to be changing uh we're going to be confronting future future challenges without Mark.1:17:19 Also part of his legacy is the magnificent staff that he put together that are going to take us through those tough times.1:17:28 So my thought was to remember him in a way and you know have the message out there that you know in a lot of way Mark's expectations are our expectations you know our contact you know conduct and things and I can say that over the years we're a remarkable city you know we get recognition as uh once again we're in the top 10 in the country for best managed city1:17:57 and that goes beyond the council that is the city manager that's a city attorney and that is a city clerk and all the seven you know the employees that work in our great city you know we are a very well-managed city because of the people that are here so I bring this forward for your consideration and discussion okay work Barbara >> thank you mayor I think this is a great1:18:26 idea Um, I'm relatively new to the table here and that being said, Mark Styles was an incredible servant to me and I think every one of these rules applies to him at the celebration of life uh last week which was a great celebration and very moving to me. I heard I think I counted 25 adjectives that each of us would would uh really like to be said about us. I mean fair, caring, honest,1:18:51 intelligent was like in the middle of the pack. He was very intelligent, but you didn't know it or he didn't tell he didn't tell you he didn't know it. But anyhow, uh I'm going to miss him. I think we're going to miss him, but I think he did put together a great staff and this will honor him moving forward and this will be great for um our city, too. Barbara,1:19:09 this is exactly what I was thinking we should do. And I think we should all It was so unique to hear people say that he just said rule one, rule four. And I think we probably all need to get to that point as well. I I think uh it's kind of unfortunate that we don't get to know these things about people sometimes until they're gone. But it was so impressive to hear what everybody had to1:19:35 say about Mark and uh he was truly a a wonderful person and I think having these rules memorialized for him is probably the very right thing to do.1:19:47 Yes, I agree with what all you've just said. As I got to know him and actually almost 12 years of knowing him, it was a side of him that you once you got to know him, show that family caring. For example, where I had my hip surgery, he will always check how you doing and and ask beyond what we do. And another thing that is important, if you had a question and call him, he will always1:20:16 call you back. Always check with his staff. So he will be missed. He's one of those men for all seasons. So this is very important. Thank you for bringing that up. >> I think we're all bringing it up because yes, >> you know, you know, we work together as a team and quite frankly as a family. We are a family and that's why we're grieving here today as a family >> and his children knew this too.1:20:44 Did Stacey again just to pile on he he was incredible human being. I got to know him even better sitting next to him. But uh he was pretty much like a second father to my son. They grew up, my son and his son grew up together and shared their childhood experiences and so I mean Mark was great great to our family as well as being great to the1:21:15 council. So you I'd like to see it not only here but I think it would be if we could honor them by putting these words out in a public place. you know, if we could put it out at the sports plex or, you know, the sports um complex where people could see it and get to know a little bit about the man that we know.1:21:36 Yeah, that may not be a bad idea. And you know, I tell you what, you know, we have navigated some tough tough seas all together. And yeah, I tell you what, Mark would not hesitate to give people like me what I will call tough love and that you need sometimes because he was always watching out for every individual council member that he's had that I've interacted with since 2004.1:22:04 But he came on, I'd say he was our litigator until 2009, I believe, and then he became, you know, a city attorney and, you know, ever since then.1:22:15 uh you know he would give incredibly sage advice you know because you know being in the public arena you know there's a lot of issues that do pop up that requires is you know legal advice and counsel that's just part of the nature of what we deal with and I can never ever uh remember a time when he did not give me sage advice that turned out to be extremely professional improvement you got1:22:43 no um you called me this a yeah this morning about it and I told you then I thought it was a great idea when we heard them at the celebration of life I said that's really a fantastic list one for all of us to live by yeah Jennifer >> I thought the same thing just listening to you know people would say number five or six and I thought to myself I want to1:23:05 see it like I want to see it I'm writing myself so I'm glad that we have this here and it's something that would benefit the public wherever we put it I I support it and I'm thankful for this moment because it felt weird to come in here and just kind of like go through >> the emotions like okay just kind of after this incredible loss. So, um, I didn't know him except for the sitting1:23:28 here and the times, but he was such a good person. And I think what stuck with me was because we carry a lot of stress with this work. Like there's a lot of visibility, there's a lot of stress, there's good things, but there's a lot of angst too that we carry. And he would call and every time he called about something, he would say, "I am sorry if you're with your family. I'm sorry if1:23:49 I'm interrupting." Yeah, >> I would say like what like where this is there are no boundaries with that like this kind of work is you got to if there's an issue you got to handle it but his priority was always you know how's Aaron how's Olivia you know sorry it's dinner time and I'm calling you around here and that was my experience but then to hear everyone seemed to have1:24:09 that same experience that with with the with the weight of everything to be the city attorney of Virginia Beach he knew what mattered and he lived in a that like what mattered was what was first for him and that was he was just a very good person. So I'm grateful that we have this moment just to like pause and and also I get a copy so I can see this for myself. So um yeah whatever wherever1:24:36 we put it I support it. >> Anybody else at this point?1:24:43 Yeah. So uh with your permission I think you know we can move forward and put put something dignified up there and uh you know you know uh you know we live in a tough world these days. We all do. Every branch of government is subject to all kinds of stuff. But I tell you what, when you get somebody like Mark Styles and you get to know him not only as an excellent attorney, but as an excellent1:25:16 person, an excellent family man, excellent husband, father, you know, who did stuff. I tell you what, I think it's uh you I'm glad we had this conversation and I thank you very much. >> Okay. Anybody else got anything? Uh leaison, council comments, anything? Rosemary and then Barbara.1:25:35 Well, we did the ribbon cutting of Winston Salem Avenue on Saturday morning and the weather wasn't so great, but we had a great turnout. We had at least over 50 people and they were so happy and the road is extraordinarily beautiful. There was also a sign unveiling for the neighborhood of Shadelon because they had not had a neighborhood sign in probably decades.1:25:59 But I want to thank our manager for your team that has shepherd us through this whole thing. It was 39 years they asked for that road to be done. Other projects don't take that long >> when it came around for them. But uh and they just did a fantastic job and you're and Emily Archer was there and Dennis Oswaza was there and just want to thank you so much1:26:26 for all that you've done. Anybody else? Work, Barbara, and then work.1:26:33 Well, I have two or three things, but I'll try to be be quick. Uh, another really great thing, uh, this year, the Senior Resource Center is celebrating its 19th year of operation. It's really hard to believe. We've been doing this for 19 years. And we had a wonderful anniversary party Sunday afternoon. We were entertained by um the newest group of people who are uh doing um uh1:27:04 something uh for us that that um uh we have these these great activities and um it it's just a matter of anybody can come. We say we are senior resource center but we don't have any rules about who comes and who doesn't. if you walk through the door, you're a member. Uh, and it it's just been the greatest thing that we could have possibly done for I think the southern part of the city, but1:27:36 I've got to tell you, we have people there from all over uh because people have found us and and and so forth. Um, so, um, I I really want I brought the newsletter so that you could read to some of the things that we do, but, uh, like I say, the newest activity is this doulamer class. So, if you would like to learn how to play the doulamer, just come down1:28:00 on Wednesday morning at 10:00 and that's our that's an activity we have now. And and it's just an opportunity for something. There's nothing like this any place. Not not just in Virginia Beach, but any place. It's so special. And so, here are some um newsletters so you can see what we do. But because I want you to know so much about it, uh there our next annual event that we have every1:28:26 year is our uh first responders annual appreciation lunchon which will be October 21st, Wednesday, October 21st. And so we are inviting all of you to come down. So you can see what uh what we have and what is it you particularly like >> a corn beef and cabbage on St. Patrick's Day. >> Okay.1:28:46 Fed very well when you come down to the >> I work for food miss.1:28:50 So, I'm going to pass this around and I hope that uh that you will get down to see our uh we do this for the first responders every year because we know how much the police, fire, rescue, and sheriff's department does to take care of us and so we want you all included too. Um, a couple of projects I wanted to ask about. I believe yesterday was the day1:29:15 for the bid opening of the Sandbridge sand replenishment project.1:29:20 Uh, I will certainly be interested in in hearing from that. I hope it was what we expected and wasn't something way out of line.1:29:29 I think if LJ can come, Mr. Mayor, is it okay for LJ to give a quick update on that real quick? Sure. I'll be worried. >> Um, I I think uh I I've heard that with this northeaster get taken away from down there and it can't happen too soon. But this is a a fantastic project and I think that the beauty of it is the funding comes from the Spanbridge Special Service District1:29:56 and taxes within Sandbridge and I think that's really important for people to know.1:30:04 How did that come out? >> Yes, ma'am. We did get the uh bid opening results yesterday. The uh bid did come back under the engineers estimate. We're always excited when we get a bid under the engineers estimate these days. Um, of course, it still has a process to go through before the Army Corps can award it, but we are uh very optimistic that we'll be able to remain1:30:24 on on the schedule that we had previously identified where we anticipate being able to >> stay there for my next one. We uh we also have a the project for the Pungo Ferry Road project that I think it had to meet a a a grant deadline of last week. I hope we met that so we didn't have to return any federal money. But this is such an important road. I think1:30:47 it's probably a road that it's it's probably the of the large roads. It's probably the first one that floods anytime there's a south wind or rain.1:30:56 And to be able to get this road done would be extremely important. So I hope this one is moving forward too. >> Yes, ma'am. We're we still remain on the schedule that was uh given to us by FHWA. So we we're still moving forward with all due diligence on that project. >> I think the the grant the protect grant had to be dated by >> September 30th1:31:18 last week in order. So we did meet that and and everything's still a go.1:31:22 There were certain elements that had to be done by September 30th. There are other elements that have to be done by the end of the year. There are a number of of milestones but we remain on schedule. We've met all of the milestones to date. um that that funding is of course critical and and we're mindful of of some of the limitations that that are coming out of Washington1:31:42 as it as >> we're constantly hearing about the things that we don't do, but I think these two projects in district two are really very important and it's good to know that they are both moving along and and and doing well. So, I really appreciate that and I I appreciate the work that y'all did to get uh New Bridge Road uh fixed. Uh and uh it I was down1:32:04 through there today and and uh New Bridge Road is hard to be a good road, but it got better. So, thank you a lot for doing that.1:32:11 Yes, ma'am. Thank you. while you while you were up there. If I can you know bring something up um about a month ago I got a phone call from uh you know the district director Philadelphia from the EPA and you we're talking about appointment to different you know organization you know part of the organization and she said do you have any pressing issues? So I brought up a1:32:33 couple of our pressing issues on NMO and a few other things and she goes oh let me see what I can do in Washington. Well, uh, last week, uh, Patrick LJ and I were able to meet with David Fatoule, uh, and he is the deputy administrator of the DPA, number two guy, and he brought an entourage with him. And Patrick, if you can comment a little bit about that.1:32:58 Yeah. So, um, Mr. mayor, members of city council. When he came, we were able to talk to him about several key issues, some of our flood protection projects and some of our other projects overall. But we also spent some time talking about NO7B and how important that road is is for access down there and also the the complications that happen whenever we have to open up for Damn Neck. And we1:33:18 impressed to him that we would love their support in helping to move the phase two of the EIS forward more expeditiously. and um he basically gave a commitment that they'll work with us um diligently as partners.1:33:32 The the sand replenishment at Sandbridge to me is just phenomenal. And I know we require that they have funding for two projects, one for the next project and one for an emergency. And I think when we look at some of our neighbors around us who didn't take the sand replenishment route and we look at what we have at Sandbridge and and the fact that we do have this regular replenishment1:34:01 that funds itself through the special service district I think is really phenomenal. I think it's one of the best things we ever did when we did that special service district for that and and and came up with this project and and I think um y'all do a really good job and of course it allows the beach maintenance, the sand replenishment, but also the other maintenance with the sand1:34:24 and and so forth. So, I don't think we're recognized quite enough for the the good decisions we make. And I know that the public works people and and the staff have done a lot of work to to make these things happen. and I really appreciate it. >> You know, I think Barbara, you also mentioned, you know, when we saw the, you know, watching the news channel or,1:34:46 you know, the weather channel, we saw the de, you know, devastation, you know, soil erosion all over Jersey and everything, but especially in North Carolina at the Outer Banks, you know, it was night and day difference, you know, the responses. So I you know kudos you know for the rapid response and doing so. Great. >> Thank you sir.1:35:10 Okay. Anybody else work? >> Thank you mayor. I just want to congratulate the organizers of fest that uh happened at Rudy Loop this weekend. Very well attended. Celebrating the art and culture and food um of Filipino community. And then also the India fest at the convention center. A lot of folks attended both of those. So, that being said, this weekend, as Emily1:35:32 Leau said, is the 70th anniversary or the Boardwalk Art Show, which starts Friday and ends Sunday. It's a great um event as well for the fall for our citizens and our region for that matter. And then the second part, if I could ask the city manager to clarify uh the Dairy Queen and what um council intends and plans because it's some misinformation out there.1:35:56 Yeah. Yeah. So, Mr. Mayor, Mr. was happy to clarify kind of where the city um where we are as it relates to the Derek property. So, as you all know, the Dair Queen lease was set to expire next year. So, we came to council to talk about several options of where to go next. Um the the the deal was supposed to escalate in terms of cost increases and there were some other asks and we all1:36:17 came to the decision to let the lease naturally expire and the council has initially authorized a interim use a interim use for police substation and while it is maintained as a police substation as per interim basis we'll do a basically a a RFI or some kind of community engagement process to get a better sense of what the permanent use could be with working with our council1:36:39 our stakeholders and also the citizens of Virginia Beach. So, right now going forward, it'll probably be inter room use towards the end of next year into the 28th season and then while we work on a permanent um development plan for the site. >> Thank you.1:36:55 Okay, Amelia. >> Well, District 4 has a lot going on. I would like to share first of all that um I got a lovely letter And I'll just read the first little paragraph. Dear Dr. Ross Hammond, on behalf of Timberland Way Cares Incorporated, a 501c nonprofit, I'm pleased to introduce Creative Verse taking place October 24th, 2026 at Baton University in Virginia Beach with evening programming at Virginia1:37:36 Mocha. Our mission is to turn creativity into opportunity by connecting young people and the community with education, technology, mentorship, entrepreneurship, and the arts. With Timberland's involvement, participants will see firsthand how far creativity can take them in music and beyond. And that will be next week, October 24th in district 4. And in fact, I said, why1:38:10 don't some of his family come? So, at least we got a chance to see see them because they have been so busy preparing this. So, in our audience, if we'll have Stan, his cousin Michelle, who is the consultant for that, and we have his uncle Eric St.1:38:31 and his wife, auntie. So, they're all here. So, let's get on the spot. Huh?1:38:42 Okay. So, that's one thing that's happening. The second thing is um some things that happened. For example, at VACC, this was our eighth annual community fall festival, and that's the Virginia African-American Culture Center. And even though the weather was funny, we still had a wonderful time because we're able to bring some new um emerging1:39:08 artists. We had a harpist. We had a se steel burn and some drumming, a health forum. And we had what was really that took the day was the legendary Joe Smith, you know, the basketball player. And we had just a wonderful time. All the youth came out. He had the adults group. He had the um high school all the way down to little kids. They formed teams. They got trophies. We had1:39:40 our police out there. We have Chief Nudig. And he was looking around saying all these kids are here. There was no problem. They were all enjoying themselves. And this is what we want to see including our precinct uh Carlos.1:39:57 The third thing is something to do with the third annual fall in love with Virginia event which is happening in Petrick and they are stopped by talking with them and they mention Nancy Hillman.1:40:17 There she is saying that they are part. She's sending someone to be part of this. And um I was excited to also see the book, the little guide, tourist guide book from Virginia Beach, which I worked on. They had it and said it's very popular and people continue to pick that up to know about Hampton Roads. And my last thing, I think I had I think I covered everything. that Timberland1:40:47 and there is one more thing that is hiding somewhere. Oh yes, the VML conference Virginia Municipal League will be here in Northolook this time. Last time it was in Virginia Beach. So as I'm sitting here opening their book about it, who do I see?1:41:12 So, Virginia Beach is definitely there and there I am.1:41:17 District four woman. >> District 4 woman. So, we're excited and uh I'm so happy to share all of this news.1:41:25 Okay. Thank you. Anybody else touch? >> Just real quick, um we had the active uh transportation advisory committee uh meeting this week. It's a really good group. They work hard. Um, director Kershman was there and we had we had uh just some good discussions on some stuff, some beginning to look at, not anywhere just micro micro mobility. We're at the very very1:41:48 beginning of it, but there's going to be lots of discussion of what that means.1:41:52 Um, we did talk about past uh transgressions by some companies with the scooters and how that had a lot of problems and what that will look like.1:42:02 Um, we did talk about the differences of our city as far as Sandbridge, you know, the Boardwalk, VB Trail, public private partnerships that may have to come out of this. VB Trail will be another whole uh animal that will have to get figured out on how the, you know, people getting to work via scooters and all kinds of things could come out of that. So, what that will look like. I talked about us1:42:27 our discussion before about the corral and making sure everything is kept neat and you know would it be some spaces in the parking garages. It's very early on but I just wanted to say that we we are we are starting to discuss it there. Um I would be remiss if I didn't say a pitch again for uh maintenance money for the for the uh trails and all. Kevin, Michelle, clear, I know you're back1:42:51 there listening to me. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I can't see back, but I know you're there, >> but I know you're there, buddy. So um and then uh lastly and and director Kershman if I'm wrong on this or help is the crossing guards um from the schools and that was PD and they were talking about that is that they are having a problem uh recruiting some of these uh1:43:19 some of these mostly ladies uh have got 30 plus years working the crossing guard uh is some of them do four schools you know I never knew that they were paid by the schools so just just an issue that we're starting to face that that may have to look different, come from a different angle on how we're going to go about that. So, that was just something that was brought up that I thought I1:43:40 would bring up to your attention. So, all right. Thank you.1:43:43 Hey, anybody else? Yeah, Josh. >> Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And, um, thank you. Um, and and it brought to mind especially as we get into legislative requests. Um, and I know we had a task force on ebikes and there was something that we felt we might want to or could go to the state to ask for a little bit more just trying to get a handle on some of1:44:06 the more dangerous activity while still, you know, allowing for the um, you know, the the responsible and and athletic uses. Uh, but I don't I don't I forget what all those things are or whatever, but um I just I hope we're still running that down. Um and uh and since it was a fifth Tuesday at the end of September, um it's been a couple weeks since we've actually met. So, and in between then1:44:33 and now was uh the Neptune Festival, which um had some really bad luck again with the weather. Uh but they made um lemonade out of lemons and had a nice weekend and just just wanted to um let them know we're thinking of them and unfortunately the they were subject to the weather that weekend but um it was certainly a culmination of a wonderful year of celebration for the festival and1:45:01 thank you for all the staff people that helped work out different venues at the last minute um in anticipation of some of that bad weather. Okay. Anybody else?1:45:11 Let me just finish off. Um, you know, I ran a few minutes late. I was at the state of the region lunch and uh, you know, Hutchin Worth and Amelia were able to get back, but there was a when I was ready to leave, they started a conversation. They were talking about the the economy, national economy, how it affected uh, you know, the Hampton Roads region and1:45:35 everything, but they really emphasized, I'm going to bring it up, housing as a major, you know, consideration. Uh, and they really emphasize, especially with the military infrastructure, you know, the need and demand for housing. and they were talking about multiple uh service areas, you know, throughout the East Coast. And the one that insulated itself best for economics1:46:04 was Raleigh. And they were saying that Raleigh committed to making up the delta in the housing inventory and that's how they able to maintain economic viability. And they also brought up the fact that when we are below housing inventory that drives up the price of existing housing costs and they were talking about existing housing costs being flat and everything. So it's1:46:35 really at a premium. So people are, you know, then that's was really raising residential property taxes. >> And those properties, I mean, those cities were the ones that were compared to us, you know, it was it was the all the the ones that were generally accepted as being our equals across the eastern seabboard basically. and and there was the four of us that were at1:46:58 the top where you didn't want to be and then Raleigh was noticeably less because they stayed aggressive and getting the different levels of housing accomplished for their uh for their citizens and it was I don't want to misquote but it was 20 some points or whatever below us and every below the other four it was noticeable the difference and the economist the Old Dominion economist I1:47:21 forget his name said that that was >> Dr. McNap.1:47:24 Yeah, that there was a direct correlation as to what it was. Now, obviously, we're late to the party here trying to get it done, but that's, you know, not that we shouldn't keep trying is what I've got out of it.1:47:35 No, but you know, I agree with that 100%. And but but once again, they really emphasize the need because of the military presence here and our military infrastructure, you know, which is a lot of the motivation by some of the actions we've been taking lately. Uh but the other point and I know you might have left for this one. They brought up uh two main points of you know we're in a1:47:59 struggling economy. You know we've been in one but right now it's uh you know people are really really stressed. Governments are stressed but they brought up two bright points. The port of Virginia and the fact is tourism and hotels were significantly up there and really helping to bolster the local economies. And you know that once again that's1:48:22 another one of our emphasis. And I'll tell you what uh you know thankfully to a lot of people we had a darn good summer. Uh and you I can't wait till we get to count and you know I I have a funny feeling that we're going to do better than we did you know and just even the previous year. So uh you know good honor us there. Okay. Anybody else at this point?1:48:44 Okay. Uh >> okay. under uh ordinance and resolutions. I just wanted to mention before we get started on number two, um hate to do this to everybody, but we had asked to send the short-term rental overlay back to the planning commission. Well, back immediately. >> Further consultation with the staff. We don't think we can get ready in 30 days. Of course, it's less than 30 days now.1:49:10 Yeah. So this is to sort of resend that now for now until we have time to get everything ready. So that doesn't mean this is the end of it, but we just we just can't be ready in 30 days. Worth, did you want to add to that?1:49:23 Yeah. And and Dana or excuse me, attorney Armire, can you speak to that?1:49:28 But the intent is not to withdraw it permanently, but to get I guess our act together. Val, let you hoping I'm hoping it's going to come back. I'll largely repeat what the vice mayor said that there's a desire for additional stakeholder input. 30 days might have been a bit on the aggressive side and so we did not want to limit the input we received from our stakeholders.1:49:50 Thank you. >> So we just want to resend it for now and this is not this is not the end of you're going to see that again. And then um I think there was also a question about the transfer of money from Winston Salem Innovation Park to 18th Street. I wonder if Patrick wanted to speak to that >> transfer. So, madam vice mayor, um1:50:12 members of city council. So, basically what is going on here is that this is something that we typically do at times when projects um tend to run over. So, the the vibe street infrastructure project is a project where we're wrapping up our contract close out, our punch out items, and our end of warranty um payments. So, we need to pay the contractor. So what we're doing is that1:50:33 we're going from we're going to other mixed funded projects that are general fund project and also a tip related project and using the funds there to pay out the final payment to the contractor. It'll still leave money on the two projects. I think one is the innovation park project and one is also for um the Winston Salem project. It'll still leave money on those projects for1:50:57 us to finish paying out our punch out and our end of warranty items. And then whatever funds remain, if any funds remains after we pay out those things, they tend to fall to fund balance. Right? So the basically policy is that if the funds came from the tip, it'll fall to the tip. Or if the funds came from the general fund, it'll fall to the general fund fund balance.1:51:17 Okay. >> Okay. Um, so the the entire 260,000 and 4 and 200,000, did all of that money come from the tip fund? No, the all of all of those are mixed funded projects. Okay. Right. So I think the the vibe street project, the bulk of it is general funded and some of it is also tip funded project as well. Um the Winston Salem is similar. It's um1:51:43 general funded initially and then there are some um tip fund once the once we need additional funds to close it out. >> Okay. So then at the end of when the Winston Salem project closes then that money go back to the tip fund or a single portion >> similar basically. Yeah. like a pro rat share. So if it was like 70% general fund, 30% tip, typically if there's $1001:52:05 left, 70 will go to general fund, 30 will go back to the tip.1:52:10 Okay, >> that's if funds remain cuz we got to we got to pay the contractor after punch out at end of warranty um after the end of warranty stuff, you know, like the usually have a retainage at the end of the project, you know, and after all that stuff is what we pay the contractor final payment. So if there are funds remaining then if it it'll go to fund balance what remains.1:52:34 Worth did you have something else to add?1:52:36 So to general rule of thumb as you explain to me is if any money that's tip funded to a project and it's left over it does go back to tip after all said and done all the contractors paid contingencies punch items.1:52:49 Correct. >> That's the rule of thumb. So there's expected to be another sum of money once the Salem left after all the dust is cleared and that will go back to the tip if if there's funds available because like we we got we still got to make punch out payments and we still got to make end of warranty payments or retainage payments, right? So that's usually a year, two years down the road.1:53:12 And if we make those payments and there's funds remaining, that's when the money tends to fall back to the balances that they come from.1:53:20 Okay. >> So, is every by the way, there's no speakers on anything tonight except for open mic night. >> I'm sorry. We have one speaker that signed up on,1:53:37 but we only have one so far. So, that's >> I don't know I don't know if everybody got a chance to read the email that was sent to us while we're here. the speaker to me sounds like he's not speaking about something directly related to this and I'm getting the feeling that it could be very disrespectful what he's coming to speak about and I >> I would just think we'd keep it on1:54:06 keeping the topic without question and uh yeah let me put it this way uh Mark and I over my term as mayor have a number of fault uh you know contact you know talks about disrespectful speakers and comes down to a first amendment but once again let's keep it tight uh window and uh you know yeah >> reading the email that he sent sounds1:54:40 like it has nothing to do with >> well I'll tell you what you know keep him on topic >> we'll keep him on topic yeah Okay, going to planning number one, David trust and that is in district two.1:55:00 Um, it's not a means of of subdividing that we really u like, but it seems to be about the only thing that will work for this particular property. And I think those recommending bodies have all approved it. So I will say it's okay. Number two, Daniel Ruby, District One. >> We're good.1:55:30 Number three, sector site tower assets. And that's in district 10. >> They want to defer to the third, but we're not meeting on the third, right? >> So we need to do it on the 10th. And I'm sorry, I let that get by on the agenda. >> Okay. Um, so it it should have been the 10th. We've already communicated that back with the applicant as well.1:55:50 So, November 10th. >> November 10th. Yes. The third is election day. So, holiday. >> Okay. Number four, Genesis Holdings, District 2.1:56:05 Number five, Southside Barbell LLC, District 4.1:56:11 Number six, uh, 446 Oceanana Boulevard. That's district six. >> Consent agenda, please.1:56:21 And that's the gentleman's club. >> Yes. M.1:56:28 Number seven is Birwood Mall Associates, and that's in district 8.1:56:32 Consent.1:56:35 Okay. At this point, the chair will entertain a motion to recess into a close session pursuant to section to the exemption promotion meeting allowed by section 2.23711A uh code of Virginia is amended for the following purposes. Publicly held property discussion or consideration of the acquisition of real property for public purpose for of disposition of publicly held property where discussion1:57:05 An open meeting would adversely affect a bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the public body pursuant to section 2.2 to 3711 A3 acquisition district 2. Acquisition district 5 disposition district 6 acquisition district 6 acquisition district 6 and disposition district 6.1:57:32 District 6 has it today. All right. Good. Uh personnel matters uh discussions, consideration or interviews of prospective candidates for employment assignment appointment, promotion performance demotion salary, disciplining or resignation of specific uh public um officers, appointees or uh employees of public body pursuant to section 2.23711A1.1:58:01 Council appointments, boards, commissions, committees, authorities, agencies, and a foreign. And also a review of council appointees.1:58:13 Have a motion. >> So moved.1:58:16 Council member council. >> Hi.1:58:21 Councelor Hutcherson. >> Hi.1:58:23 Jackson. >> Hi.1:58:24 Council. >> Hi.1:58:26 Hi. >> Council. Hi.1:58:28 Councilman. >> Hi.1:58:30 Wilson. >> Hi.1:58:31 I >> Okay, we are recessed into closed1:58:45 meeting to order. And if we can pre uh pre please stand up if you're willing and able for the invocation.1:58:56 Heavenly Father, you are always with us and beside us.1:59:01 Be with us this evening as we consider the affairs of our great city. Give us the patience to listen, the wisdom to decide, and the strength to act. Amen.1:59:14 And I will now ask for a moment of silence for all those who have paid the ultimate price to keep our city and our nation great and safe. And also especially tonight as we acknowledge the loss of a dear friend and colleague Mark Styles who brought so much grace to this great city. Moment of silence, please.1:59:48 Pledge allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.2:00:05 Okay. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Do we have a roll call?2:00:08 Yes, your honor. All presents and council member Beluchcci.2:00:12 Okay. Do I have a motion for the certification of the close session?2:00:17 So second. >> Okay. Let's open the vote.2:00:20 One second, please.2:00:24 The vote is open.2:00:28 Can you scroll down to make sure there by vote of I'll go ahead and let you close it. By vote of 10 to zero, you have certified the close session and be in accordance with a motion to recess.2:00:41 Okay. Do we have a a motion to approve the minutes of the informal and formal sessions of September 15, 2026 and the special formal session of September 22nd, 2026? >> So moved.2:00:57 Okay. Yes. Just one second.2:01:21 The vote is open.2:01:25 Go ahead and close it.2:01:29 Five of 10 to zero. Approve the minutes as submitted.2:01:32 Okay. Thank you. Now, this is a time that the council enjoys where we get to honor those who deserve to be honored. And uh today we're doing a resolution for breast care cancer awareness month and Lisa Strader, Virginia Beach resident, breast cancer survivor and co-chair of the walk. Will you come forward? And we're going to have council member Josh Schulman have the honor of2:02:00 reading this uh uh resolution. Thank you, Mayor, and thank you everyone who's come here tonight and supported breast cancer awareness. Breast cancer has touched far too many families in Virginia Beach, and tonight we honor those we've lost. Uh we celebrate the survivors and uh stand behind beside those who are still fighting. Um, I'm proud our city stands together in2:02:27 support of awareness, early detection, treatment, and hope. And it gives me great pride to read this resolution. Whereas breast cancer awareness month is an international health campaign held every October that aims to promote screening and reduce the risk of the disease which affects 2.4 million women worldwide. And whereas breast cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death2:02:50 in women after lung cancer, the chance that any woman will die from breast cancer is about 1 in 43. And whereas the American Cancer Society helps people with breast cancer in our community, working tirelessly to find new drugs and treatments as well as new ways to use existing treatments. Research programs have advanced prevention, screening, and treatment that save lives. And whereas2:03:15 according to the American Cancer Society, breast cancer death rates have been decreasing steadily since 1989 for an overall decline of 44% through 2023.2:03:26 This is most likely the results of finding breast cancer earlier through screening and increased awareness as well as better treatments. And whereas continue font continued funding for research is essential to help save even more lives in the future. In 2026, an estimated 321,910 women in the United States will be diagnosed with invasive breast cancer and an estimated 42,140 women will die from the disease. And2:03:57 whereas approximately one in eight women in the United States will be diagnosed with breast cancer during her lifetime. Whereas October 20th is National Mamography Day, we encourage everyone to urge those they love to schedule their routine mammogram. Now therefore, be it resolved that the city of Virginia Beach and the American Cancer Society advocate to end cancer as we know it for2:04:20 everyone. And be it further resolved that the city of Virginia Beach does hereby recognize the month of October as breast cancer awareness month and encourages all citizens and health care providers to increase awareness and follow the steps in advance for prevention given by the council of the city of Virginia Beach, Virginia the 6th day of October 2026 and present this2:04:44 resolution duly signed by each member of the Virginia Beach City Council. Thank you for your work in our community. >> THANK YOU.2:04:57 AND WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT, I just I want to make a comment that uh I'm a I too am a breast cancer survivor. And one in eight women will get breast cancer.2:05:10 And the key is early detection. So ladies, please make sure you get out and get your your mamograms because it could mean the difference whether you live or die. And thank you for being here and to my friend Donna Renick and for American Cancer Society and Susan Kman and all the different organizations that support breast cancer. >> Thank you.2:05:40 Forget it.2:05:50 We're coming down. Mayor Mayor, sit back.2:06:29 Appreciate you so much.2:06:41 All right.2:07:07 Okay. Welcome and and welcome all. Thank you for coming on behalf of breast cancer survivors, their caregivers, our future survivors, and the American Cancer Society. Thank you for this meaningful recognition. As a Virginia Beach local all my life and a Virginia Beach public school teacher for 29 years and a 12-year breast cancer survivor, is especially meaningful for2:07:33 me to stand here before you tonight in the community I sincerely call home.2:07:38 Breast cancer awareness month began more than 40 years ago with a simple but important goal. to educate women about screening and the importance of early detection.2:07:54 Since then, the pink ribbon has become an international symbol of awareness and hope. Tonight, through this recognition, you have called attention to the importance of early detection, regular mammograms, research, and the importance of health care. From routine screenings and preventative care to treatment and followup, having access to quality2:08:17 health care we need is an important part of being part important part of keeping individuals, families, and ultimately our entire community healthy and thriving. We are truly grateful for this recognition and for your support of breast cancer awareness month. It's the American Cancer Society's hope that by turning awareness into action, hope into support, and compassion into a cure,2:08:39 more lives will be saved. And we hope that you will join us on October 24th at 11:00 a.m. at Neptune's Park for the Making Strides Against Breast Cancer Walk. Thank you. >> Thank you. And thank you. It's volunteers like you that are carrying the message to so many people. And it's large part the reason why cancer statistics are on the downturn. But once2:09:03 again, we're not there yet and we're going to have to still be diligent and thank you for everything you do. God bless you.2:09:12 Okay. Uh we have another non uh item on the uh mayor's presentation uh and acclamation. We have a birthday up here. I understand.2:09:24 Oh yeah. Homson. It's an anniversary of your birthday, Hutch. >> Yeah, we won't we we can't have a a cake with candles. We would need a fire marshal.2:09:37 Uh but once again, we want to wish you all a happy birthday and thank you for so much for being a valuable part of our team.2:09:44 Thank you, sir. >> Thank you.2:09:50 Okay. Uh now we the public hearings. The first one, the acquisition of agricultural land preservation ARP easement installment purchase agreement for 81.6 acres at uh 3993 and 3995 Muddy Creek Road.2:10:08 I'm sorry, there are no speakers, sir. >> Okay. And then um number two, partial easement vacation approximately 5 feet of existing 25- ft pedestrian access easement along the western boundary of 4576 Monty Road. >> There are no speakers, sir.2:10:28 Okay. And now I'll I'll go on with the script for speakers. I want to remind everyone that the city council speaker policy that allows certain representatives of groups to speak for 10 minutes applies only to planning items. All other speakers, whether speaking individually or on behalf of a group, will have up to three minutes to speak on a single item.2:10:52 Speakers are reminded that comments during the formal portion of the meeting must be limited to the subject of the item called that is being considered by the council at the time you are called. For items placed on the consent agenda, a speaker will have up to three minutes to address any single item. If a speaker wishes to address multiple consent agenda items, the speaker will have a2:11:19 cumulative total of six minutes to address those items. Again, the speaker must limit his or her comments to the subject matter of the items that they have signed up to address. And finally, I call upon all speakers and all persons in the chamber to be civil in their discussion and the quorum. Whatever views you hold and wish to express, the city council wants to hear from you. In2:11:47 order to ensure that all viewpoints and all persons are respected, clapping, cheering, booing, speaking loudly, or making other disruptive sounds while a speaker has the floor is not permitted. All speakers have the equal right to be heard. Any member of the audience who interferes with a recognized speaker's time will be warned and if the disruptive behavior continues will be2:12:15 required to leave the chamber. Additionally, threats and intimidation of others is prohibited at all times. Uh do we have any uh consent item speakers?2:12:26 Yes, one Craig Henson is speaking on K4.2:12:38 Good evening. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, city council, city manager, city clerk. Thank you for all your work. I would like to request the title 2 ADA reasonable accommodation to speak if I may.2:12:51 Great. >> It's already been given to you.2:12:53 Thank you again, city clerk. I'm here tonight in strong objection to the appointment of current uh city attorney. Can you hear me? Okay. there.2:13:04 City Attorney Dana Harmire to be appointed as temporary city attorney. I say this strongly. Many of you might recognize I sent an email to entire city council earlier. I understand you may not understand why.2:13:20 It's about section of our city charter 9.04.2:13:24 Chapter 9 is the department of law. And there was an incident that happened four years ago at the old city hall that many of you weren't on city council then which is why I wanted to bring it up. Um back then Mr. Harmire was speaking to council in informal meeting. I do believe it was regarding council had questions about notices to the city which 9.04 04 covers. At that point though,2:14:00 he only read what I call the first paragraph in the email.2:14:06 Like my paper here, I highlighted the bottom part. And the reason to that is is it pertains to people like me, people with disabilities, people with severe injuries.2:14:21 It was a few weeks later after that exchange between he and council that I came to speak at council and ran into Mr. Harmire out in the lobby and I did address him. He he I would ask him to be a standup guy and acknowledge that because I did personally raise the same concern that I'm doing now to him then that you all as city councilors are representatives2:14:52 as my representative Mr. Remick has explained to me before depends upon the city attorney, depends on different staff for different to make different decisions. And so I feel that when parts of this our city charter or even law were not read in full to you all, it left your ability to make informed decisions not there, which then could affect us or everybody. And so that's that should exist. Um, I also want to2:15:35 uh state that I I want to give my condolences for the for the city losing the prior city attorney, Mr. Styles. I had an opportunity to meet him one time and he was um he was a a kind person and and very informed in the law. Um, a city attorney is very important. They provide legal counsel and advice. They draft legisla legislation and contracts, litigation management, emergency operations, and I'm sure2:16:06 there's probably more that that I'm not explaining.2:16:11 Um, and so now that I've said all this and you're aware of all this, like I've said, I've asked Mr. Harmire now to be a standup guy. And with that, I would fully support him in the appointment if as I asked him four years ago when he reads law to city council that he will fully inform them because you do an important job in that2:16:38 seat for this city, not just for them, but for the people of the city and and so that's um that's where I stand. If Mr. Harmire at some point would be open to reading this full 9.04 04 at some point to council and explain it to them so they have an understanding then I will fully support the appointment but I just want you to be aware of the background. Thank you.2:17:05 Okay. Thank you >> mayor. That's all the speakers for consent agenda.2:17:12 Okay. This one if we could do the consent agenda.2:17:15 Thank you Mr. Mayor. Under ordinances and resolutions. Number one is the ordinance to authorize a temporary encroachment to a portion of city-owned property known as the Lake Gaston pipeline adjacent to uh zero Clint Road uh remaintain an existing 30 foot wide gravel drive. Number two is a resolution to withdraw the resolution referring to the planning commission the proposed2:17:48 amendment to the city zoning ordinance to amend the official zoning map to reduce the oceanfront resort short-term rental overlay district. Number three is the ordinance to extend the date for satisfying the condition for the matter of commercial the Commonwealth Brewing Company LLC a closure of a portion of Lake Drive adjacent to 244 Pleasure House Road.2:18:21 Number four is the ordinance to appoint Dana R. Harmire as acting city attorney.2:18:30 Number five is the ordinance to appropriate $655,931 from the fund balance of the technology trust fund to the FY202627 clerk of the circuit court uh operating budget room support for technology needs and upgrades. Number six is the ordinance to appropriate $29,532 from the balance of the Shilling Point Special Services District Special Revenue Fund to Capital Project 16432:19:09 Shilling Point Neighborhood Dredging. Number two, with the FY202627 uh capital improvement program. Number seven is the ordinance to accept and appropriate $177,13644 from the Virginia Early Childhood Foundation and Old Dominion University Research Foundation to the FY202627 Parks and Recreation operating budget raise support progress u focused on expanding access2:19:46 to preschool services. Number eight is the ordinance to accept and appropriate $60,76 from the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles to the FY202627 Police Department operating budget and authorize uh 50% in match uh for overtime and equipment expenses related to enhanced uh speed enforcement. Number nine is the ordinance to accept and appropriate $27,750 from the Virginia Department of Motor2:20:25 Vehicles to the FY202627 Police Department operating budget and authorize 50% in kind match rate overtime training and equipment expenses related to DUI enforcement. Number 10 is ordinance to transfer $260,000 from the capital project 100489, the Winston Salem Avenue improvements and $200,000 from the capital project 1576 Virginia Beach Innovation Park infrastructure 2 to capital improvement project $1459,2:21:08 the Vibe District Street Infrastructure structure improvements ray closure capital project 1004 46 459 excuse me >> I open the planning hearing number one is the David B Turtton revocable trust for a variance to section 4.4 4 B uh and D of the subdivision regulations to lot with street the frontage and street success access to the public street and a condition of change of zoning from2:21:50 a one and a two agric agricultural districts to conditional R15 uh residential district redevelopment, three single uh family residential lots at 2512 Seabard Road and that is in district two. Number two is the Daniel Ruby um Timmans Group and Catholic Dasis of Richmond for a modification of conditions to a conditional use permit. um construct a 20 20,000 square foot fieldhouse at2:22:30 4552 Princess Anand Road and that is in district 1.2:22:37 Uh number three, and this is in district 10, it's going to be deferred until November 10th. Um Sector Sight Tower Assets LLC.2:22:48 Sector site Tower Assets LLC. uh Great Eastern Resort uh Corporation and Vicinity Holdings for a conditional use permit at zoning from a 02 office district to conditional B2 community business district and conditional use permit Ray mini warehouse facility and a conditional use permit Ray bulk storage yard at 3386 and 3396 Holland Road. Um, number four is Genesis Holding of Hampton Roads LLC, uh,2:23:40 Stling Farm for a conditional use permit, Ray Bulk Storage Yard at Parcel South and Damn Neck Road directly uh, northeast at 3024 Holland Road and that is in district two.2:23:57 Number five is Southside Barbell LLC. BAPA BAPA properties uh LLC series 5512 Virginia Beach Boulevard for a conditional use permit. Ray indoor recreation facility at 5512 Virginia Beach Boulevard and that is in district 4. Number six is 446 Oceanana Boulevard LLC for conditional use permit bringing the bar and nightclub at 446 Oceanana Boulevard and that is in district 6.2:24:33 Number seven is Birchwood Mall Associates LLP for a conditional use permit uh indoor recreational facility at 3754 Virginia Beach Boulevard and that is in district 8.2:24:51 And that's move for approval. >> Second.2:24:54 Second. >> Okay. Any discussion on this?2:24:58 Oh, was it plain that item three was deferred to November 10th?2:25:06 Yes. >> Yeah.2:25:08 What was the question? >> Go ahead. Open the vote.2:25:10 It's being deferred to November 10th. >> Yeah.2:25:13 Yes, that is correct. >> The vote is open.2:25:23 Council member Ross Hammond, may I have your vote?2:25:25 Okay. Do we have any appointments? >> I'm sorry. Wait just one second. I still need Council Member Ross Hammond's vote. If you just give it to me verbally, I can. >> And Josh.2:25:34 Yes. >> Oh, and Josh.2:25:35 Hi. >> Thank you. Go ahead. Thank you. Go ahead and close the vote. >> Five of 10 to zero. You've approved the consent agenda as read by Vice Mayor Wilson.2:25:44 Okay. Thank you. >> Hey.2:25:46 Okay. now appointment beaches and waterways. Ryan Davidson uh to represent at large, the clean community commission to reappoint Alexis Williams, Cog Review and Outreal Calivation Review uh to reappoint Tiffany Margello and she is to represent the library board. Uh the Minority Business Council to reappoint Cynthia Terry. Uh the Resort Advisory Commission to reappoint Billy Almond uh2:26:14 to represent professionals. Uh Virginia Beach Community Development Corporation to appoint Mary Carter, I mean, excuse me, Mark Carter. Uh the Virginia Beach Towing Advisory Board to appoint Jonathan Sawyers. Move for approval.2:26:34 Second. >> Okay.2:26:46 One second.2:27:08 I'm sorry. We're just having a moment here. Go ahead and open it.2:27:14 The vote is open.2:27:18 Um, Council Member Ross Hammond and Schulman, may I have your votes?2:27:22 I I >> Thank you.2:27:26 by a vote of 10 to zero. >> You have appointed those as read by Vice Mayor Wilson. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Any unfinished business? Any new business? Okay, we're going to turn into open mic. Thank you all very much for coming.
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